Зимен Китай

[Alexander]

Не съм ходил в тази страна. Смятах да я посетя през лятото и да наблегна на природните неща за гледане, но се сдобих с билети за декември по Коледа.

Кацам в Пекин, мислех да посетя Харбин, но ледения град се отваря след 5 януари и отпадна..

 

Освен Пекин, ще слезем надолу Хонг Конг, Макао и Шензен, общо 3 или 4 дни 

Остава да избера още едно място, но нещо не мога да реша кое.

В Шанхай няма да ходя ,  по-скоро искам нещо природно и малки градове, но през зимата няма много избор.
Видях че портите на рая са в лед и мъгла и се отказах.

Оглеждам Кунминг, Дали, Лихианг, някой бил ли е там?

Някакви съвети за някоя място за 3 дни ?

[stanimir]

Не се разпъвай толкова , набележи си един два региона и разгледай там. Навсякъде има малки автентични градчета. Около Шанхай има и поне 7-8 от старинните малки водни градчета , също и Суджоу е на половин час с бързия влак.

Макао и Шънджън за мен са загуба на време в подобно пътуване особено последния. Айде да кажем така и така си в Хонконг (изключителен град !!!) ще отделиш ден и за Макао ,но има много по-интересни места от Шънджън в континентален Китай.Шанхай е в пъти по-интересен.Мисля @Граф Вронски беше наскоро точно в Юнан за където питаш.

 

 

 

 

[Alexander]

Хм, аз съм бил в Хонг Конг и ми хареса доста  , мислех че Шънджън е супер град.

Някъде в тази част около Хонг Конг Макао има ли нещо интересно?

най-малко там ще е по-топло и затова ми се иска в тази  част да имам една от базите 

 

Към Шанхай не смятах да ходя, самия град не ме привлича особено.

Ако наоколо има интересни  неща е друго вече.

 

за 11-12 дни смятам да сме на максимум три места, Пекин и още две. Ако отпадне Хонг Конг,  значи търся две места за бази по 3 дни да речем.

[stanimir]

Той е супер , но няма нищо автентично.До преди 30-40 години е бил буквално забутано рибарско селище без никакви забележителности и после на мястото издигат 4-5 Дубая 😄Знам че си падаш по гурме кухнята и в това отношение казват че е топ , другото е само модерна архитектура и шопинг.

[master_of_germs]

@Alexander кога точно са ви датите? Ние кацаме на 27-ми декември в Чънду и летим наобратно на 14-ти януари. Като не смятаме да ходим нито към Пекин, нито към Хонконг. Скорошните снимки на магеланци от Хонконг категорично ме убедиха, че това не е моето място, въпреки, че е от малкото, които са с добър климат през нашата зима. Смятаме по-голямата част от пътуването ни да е в провинция Юннан. Кунмин е уж "градът на вечната пролет". По нова година мислим да сме в Лидзян или евентуално в Шаси (че 1-ви януари е петък, а там имало автентичен петъчен пазар), ако решим, че не  щем твърде дълго в туристическа лудница на Лидзян.

 

Ето нашата предварителна програма, макар че ще търпи развитие:

прилагам и снимки с AI помощ от магелански приятелчета ( благодарности на @Йосиф Милчов)

 

 

China Winter Itinerary (Dec 27, 2026 - Jan 13, 2027)

★ Dec 27 - Arrival in Chengdu: Land at TFU 3:40 PM from Istanbul. Take Metro Line 18 to downtown. Enjoy a hotpot welcome dinner.

★ Dec 28 - Pandas & Dujiangyan: 07:30 AM Chengdu Panda Base. Afternoon bullet train to Dujiangyan Irrigation System. Evening 'Blue Tears' neon green lights at Nanqiao Bridge.

★ Dec 29 - Flight to Lijiang: Morning domestic flight from Chengdu TFU to Lijiang (LJG). Check into a flat, accessible Old Town courtyard inn.

★ Dec 30 - Tiger Leaping Gorge & First Bend: Private day trip to First Bend of Yangtze River. Explore Tiger Leaping Gorge via the Upper Gorge Lookout escalator shortcut.

★ Dec 31 - Jade Dragon Snow Mountain: Glacier Park Cable Car to observation deck (skip upper steps, use portable oxygen). Electric carts at Blue Moon Valley. NYE dinner in Lijiang.

★ Jan 1 - Markets & Naxi Villages: Morning walk through Zhongyi Market. Afternoon relaxed stroll across flat streets of Baisha Ancient Town and Shuhe Ancient Town.

★ Jan 2 - Shaxi & Baodingshan to Dali: Drive south to Shibaoshan for 1,300-year-old Baodingshan Grottoes. Relaxed lunch at Shaxi Sideng Square. Drive to Erhai Lake.

★ Jan 3 - Erhai Lake Boat Ride & Dali: Explore Xizhou Ancient Town (Bai architecture). Afternoon scenic Erhai Lake Boat Ride. View Three Pagodas & walk Dali walls.

★ Jan 4 - Lakeside Ecological Corridor: Relaxed day riding an e-bike or taking easy walks along the completely flat Erhai Lake Ecological Corridor (Shuanglang/Wase).

★ Jan 5 - Train to Kunming & Gulls: 2-hour morning bullet train to Kunming. Afternoon easy stroll at Green Lake Park to watch thousands of migrating Siberian gulls.

★ Jan 6 - Chengjiang Fossil Museum: Physically relaxed day trip to the flat, modern, indoor Chengjiang Fossil Site Museum by Fuxian Lake (Cambrian marine fossils).

★ Jan 7 - Shilin Stone Forest: Explore the open-air karsts. Stick to the flat Major Stone Forest loop and utilize electric golf carts to completely bypass walking.

★ Jan 8 - Jiuxiang Caves Adventure: Slow-paced exploration using the glass elevator down, frequent rest benches inside massive chambers, and effortless scenic chairlift exit.

★ Jan 9 - Flooded Hani Rice Terraces: 3.5-hour drive to Yuanyang. Watch a magnificent winter sunset reflecting like thousands of mirrors from the flat roadside Bada viewpoint.

★ Jan 10 - Sunrise & Train to Guizhou: Watch sunrise from your hotel balcony at Duoyishu. Drive north and board a high-speed train to Anshun, Guizhou (~2.5 hours).

★ Jan 11 - Huangguoshu Waterfall: Tour Asia's largest waterfall using the Grand Escalator to fully bypass the steep slopes. Evening high-speed train to Chengdu.

★ Jan 12 - Dazu Rock Carvings Day Trip: 45-min morning bullet train to Dazu. Stroll the flat, beautifully preserved 800-year-old colorful cliff carving horseshoe layout.

★ Jan 13 - Leshan Buddha, Luodai & Departure: 07:30 AM train to Leshan. 30-min panoramic River Cruise (no stairs). Midday taxi to Luodai Ancient Town (Hakka guildhalls). 08:30 PM taxi to TFU Airport for midnight flight.

 

💰 Trip Cost Summary (For 3 Adults Total)

• Long-Distance Transport Total (Intercity Flights & Trains): Around €480 total.
• Local Private Drivers, Cabs & Regional Metro: Around €350 total.
• Accommodation Total (17 Nights in Triple Rooms/Family Suites): Around €1,100 – €1,300 total (Average €65/night for the group).
• Food & Daily Snacks: Around €500 – €600 total (Focusing on incredible local local restaurants and street snacks).
• Sightseeing Entry Tickets & Lifts: Around €450 total.
• Estimated Grand Total: Around €2,880 – €3,180 total for the group of 3 (excluding international flights).

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✈️ Leg 1: Flight — Chengdu (TFU) to Lijiang (LJG)

• Date: Morning of December 29, 2026
• Approximate Cost: Around €40 – €55 per person (Approx. €130 – €165 total for 3).
• Duration: 1 hour 22 minutes (Nonstop).
• Detailed Description: This is a direct domestic hop clearing the mountain terrain separating Sichuan and Yunnan. Most morning flights leave from Tianfu International Airport (TFU) via carriers like Chengdu Airlines or Lucky Air. The ticket includes standard domestic cabin limits (usually 20kg checked bag per person, but confirm with your budget ticket class). Lijiang Sanyi Airport (LJG) is flat and highly navigable; once you land, a taxi to the flat South Gate takes roughly 45 minutes.

🚗 Leg 2: Private Car — Lijiang → Shaxi → Erhai Lake (Dali)

• Date: Full day on January 2, 2027
• Approximate Cost: Around €85 – €110 total for the private car drop-off loop.
• Duration: Roughly 4 hours of total driving time divided across the day.
• Detailed Description: Because you are bypassing checking into Shaxi for a single night, hiring a private chauffeured vehicle (7-seater minivan) for the day is the most efficient choice for 3 adults with luggage. The driver picks you up right at your flat Lijiang gate, carries your luggage safely in the trunk all day, drives 1.5 hours south to the base of the Baodingshan Grottoes, waits for you while you sightsee, drives you down to Shaxi for lunch, and safely delivers you straight to your Erhai Lake inn that evening.

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🚄 Leg 3: Bullet Train — Dali to Kunming

• Date: Morning of January 5, 2027
• Approximate Cost: Around €18 – €20 per person (Approx. €55 – €60 total for 3).
• Duration: 2 hours to 2 hours 20 minutes.
• Detailed Description: You will depart from the main Dali Railway Station. For your group, booking a Second Class Seat on a "D" or "G" high-speed train is incredibly comfortable. The seats are laid out in a clean 3+2 format with massive legroom (more space than Western economy flights) and standard overhead racks for your suitcases. This train glides along the flat mountain basins directly into Kunming Railway Station or Kunming South

🚗 Leg 4: Private Driver — Kunming → Yuanyang Terraces → Railway Loop

• Date: January 9 – January 10, 2027
• Approximate Cost: Around €150 – €180 total for the 2-day hire.
• Duration: 3.5 hours south on Jan 9, and roughly 2.5 hours north to the railway on Jan 10.
• Detailed Description: The Honghe Hani Terraces have no direct bullet train access. To shield your wife from the stress of local public buses, a private driver will pick up your trio from your Kunming hotel, navigate the winding mountain highways safely down to the Bada sunset deck, drop you at your Duoyishu view hotel, and drive you back north the next morning to hook back into the high-speed rail line.

🚄 Leg 5: Bullet Train — Yunnan (Kunming) to Guizhou (Anshun)

• Date: Afternoon of January 10, 2027
• Approximate Cost: Around €20 – €24 per person (Approx. €60 – €72 total for 3).
• Duration: 2 hours to 2 hours 15 minutes.
• Detailed Description: Boarding at Kunming South, you will take a high-speed G-train flying east across the provincial border. This ride cuts directly through spectacular karst mountain ranges via a series of smoothly engineered tunnels. You will step off directly at Anshun West Railway Station (Anshunxi), which is modern, flat, and located close to your local transit hotel

🚄 Leg 6: Long Bullet Train — Anshun (Guizhou) back to Chengdu (Sichuan)

• Date: Late Afternoon of January 11, 2027
• Approximate Cost: Around €40 – €48 per person (Approx. €120 – €144 total for 3).
• Duration: 4 hours to 4 hours 30 minutes.
• Detailed Description: This is your longest single rail leg, heading straight north to close the massive travel loop. Most options are direct G-trains or require a brief, flat platform transition inside the massive, modern Guiyang North Station. Second Class seats feature fold-down tray tables and individual charging ports under the seats. You will pull directly into the flat, bustling terminals of Chengdu East Railway Station (Chengdudong)

🚄 Leg 7: Final Day Bullet Trains — Chengdu ↔ Dazu & Chengdu ↔ Leshan

• Dates: January 12 (Dazu) & January 13 (Leshan)
• Approximate Cost:
  • Chengdu to Dazu roundtrip: ~€20 per person (~€60 total for 3).
  • Chengdu to Leshan roundtrip: ~€14 per person (~€42 total for 3).
• Detailed Description: These are incredibly fast, hyper-efficient regional commuter loops running out of Chengdu East. The trains are highly punctual, clean, and entirely flat, serving as the ultimate stress-free method to hit your final grand landmarks before stepping into your taxi to TFU airport.

 

 

🎫 Estimated Sightseeing Entry Fees (For 3 Adults Total)

• Dujiangyan Irrigation System: ~€33 total (¥80 entrance + ¥10 internal shuttle per person). [1, 2]
• Tiger Leaping Gorge: ~€19 total (¥45 entrance per person).
• Jade Dragon Snow Mountain & Blue Moon Valley: ~€100 total (¥100 park entrance + ¥120 Glacier Park big cable car + ¥20 eco-shuttle per person).
  • Note: Buying individual oxygen canisters and renting warm jackets at the mountain base will add roughly €25 total for the group. [1, 2]
• Baodingshan Grottoes (Shaxi day trip): ~€41 total (¥110 off-season peak entry per person). [1, 2]
• Erhai Lake Boat Ride (Dali): ~€30 - €40 total (¥70 - ¥90 per person depending on boat size).
• Three Pagodas of Chongsheng Temple: ~€30 total (¥75 per person).
• Chengjiang Fossil Site Museum: Free entrance (Requires passport registration, but the museum itself is free).

·        Shilin Stone Forest: ~€60 total (¥130 entrance + ¥25 internal electric golf carts per person).

·        Jiuxiang Caves: ~€40 total (¥60 entrance + glass elevator + scenic exit chairlift per person).

·        Honghe Hani Rice Terraces (Yuanyang): ~€29 total (¥70 per person for the multi-viewpoint pass).

·        Huangguoshu Waterfall National Park: ~€105 total (Winter rate ¥150 + mandatory ¥50 sightseeing bus + ¥50 round-trip Grand Escalator per person). [1]

·        Dazu Rock Carvings (Baodingshan, Chongqing): ~€41 total (Winter off-season ¥110 per person). [1, 2]

·        Leshan Giant Buddha River Cruise: ~€26 total (¥70 standard boat deck ticket per person—requires no mountain entrance fee). [1, 2]

·        Luodai Ancient Town: Free entrance (Open historical town; you only pay for snacks or historic guildhall entry).

💰 Sightseeing Total: Around €550 – €590 for the group of 3 adults.

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• 🚖 Local Transportation to Remote Sites (For 3 Adults Total)
• Since many landmarks sit 15 to 50 kilometers outside their respective towns, here are the local round-trip transit estimates (using local taxis or app-hailed Didi cars) to complete these legs smoothly:
• 1. Dujiangyan Scenic Area (From Chengdu)
• The Route: Bullet train lands you at Lidui Park Station. From there, it is a flat, easy 10-minute walk directly to the park gates.
• Cost: €0 (Completely free walking). [1]
• 2. Tiger Leaping Gorge & Jade Dragon Mountain (From Lijiang Base)
• The Route: These are separate full-day trips out into the mountain valleys. Taking public buses can be highly complex with baggage or strict schedules. Hiring a local taxi or private driver for the day is the best choice.
• Cost: Around €45 – €55 per day (Approx. €100 total for both dedicated day-trip cars)
• 3. Blue Moon Valley (From Jade Dragon Mountain)
• The Route: Located directly inside the national park. Your cable car ticket includes the eco-bus that shuttles you down from the mountain peak directly to the valley.
• Cost: €0 (Included in your sightseeing ticket). [1, 2, 3]
• 4. Erhai Lake Boat Ride & Three Pagodas (From Dali/Xizhou Base)
• The Route: Taoyuan Pier and the Three Pagodas are located along the flat west coast highway. A quick local taxi from your Xizhou inn to the pier and down to the pagodas is fast and affordable.
• Cost: Around €15 – €20 total for the day's local hops.
• 5. Shilin Stone Forest & Jiuxiang Caves (From Kunming Base)
• The Route: Shilin and Jiuxiang sit roughly 80 kilometers east of Kunming. Since you split them into separate days to keep it low-effort for your wife, taking a direct taxi or app-hailed car from downtown Kunming each morning is the smoothest strategy.
• Cost: Around €35 – €45 round-trip per day (Approx. €80 total across both days).
• 6. Huangguoshu Waterfall (From Anshun Base)
• The Route: The waterfall is located roughly 40 kilometers southwest of Anshun West Station. Local tourist shuttle buses run directly from the station to the park gates, or you can take a fast 35-minute taxi ride.
• Cost: Around €8 total for 3 public bus tickets, or €20 total for a round-trip taxi. [1, 2]
• 7. Dazu Rock Carvings (From Dazu South Rail Station)
• The Route: When your bullet train pulls into Dazu South Station, you are still roughly 40 kilometers away from the actual Baodingshan carvings. You will need a local taxi ride (~40 minutes) directly to the visitor center.
• Cost: Around €25 – €30 total for the round-trip taxi. [1, 2]
• 8. Leshan Giant Buddha Cruise (From Leshan Rail Station)
• The Route: From Leshan Railway Station, a quick 15-minute local taxi ride carries you straight to the Baxiandong Wharf to board the boat deck.
• Cost: Around €10 total for the round-trip taxi. [1]
• 🚖 Local Point-to-Point Transport Total: Around €250 – €280 total for the group of 3 adults.

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Изкуственякът е объркал много имена при опита да обръща на кирилица (то по БГ, ту по руска транслитерация) и съм му задавал да избира физически ненатоварващи опции, заради @Mistress of Germs, която тази година допълнително влоши и без това кекавото си физическо състояние. Мислим да доизкусурим програмата, така че тя да има свободни дни за почивка, докато ние с @mary_shery в тези дни си избираме по-натоварващи маршрути. Лифтовете до високите планини на над 4500 м н.в. ще отпаднат, защото очакваме там да е прекалено студено, а и много се чакало. Също, няма да се прави обиколката на езерото Архай с велосипеди, че от групата само аз мога да карам колело. Програмата все още е доста рехава, ама пък аз обичайно трудно правя програми, че все изнамирам още и още неща и ми е труфно да си избера. В случая @mary_shery e по-подготвена от мене, шо се отнася до Юннан. На мене основен акцент са ми обектите на ЮНЕСКО и съм планирал девет такива. Е, в Пекин е най-лесно да се трупат ЮНЕСКО обекти (6 броя), ама @mary_shery е наложила мораториум върху студа (с изключение на пандите).

 

Така че ще се радвам на магеланска среща в поднебесната империя.

 

П.П. @Alexander , мога ли да използвам темата ти да искам съвети и за нашето зимно пътешествие или предпочиташ да не я разводнявам и да си направя собствена тема?  

П.П.П. Тагвам @Tedy, понеже за Юннан мисля, че трудно ще намеря някой по-печен от нея 😉